luiz schrieb:@Domme
Zwischen Indien und Dassault wird auf jeden Fall noch bis April weiterverhandelt. Wenn es bis dahin zu keinen Abschluss kommt, wird Indien aussteigen so laut Verteidigungsminister Parrikar.
anscheinend werden die Probleme langsam gelöst:
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Zitat:India set to buy 36 Dassault Rafales
2015/04/10
India is set to buy 36 Dassault Rafale fighter aircraft, Indian prime minister Narendra Modi announced on Friday 10 April during a visit to France. The announcement comes after a long and difficiult negotiation process which initially revolved around 126 Rafales.
The Indians have requested 36 Rafales in fly-away condition as soon as possible, it emerged in Paris. Dassault confirmed the request in a statement.
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Zitat:India Approves Purchase of 56 Airbus C295 Transport Planes
May 14, 2015 11:42 a.m. ET NEW DELHI—India’s Defense Ministry has approved the purchase of 56 transport aircraft from Airbus Group NV in a deal valued at $1.87 billion and has given the go-ahead to a long-stalled deal to acquire howitzers from BAE Systems PLC.
A high-level committee headed by Defense Minister Manohar Parrikar signed off on acquiring the C295 military plane which Airbus said it will build in partnership with Tata Advanced Systems Ltd., ministry spokesman Sitanshu Kar said.
Airbus will assemble 40 of the transport planes in India after the first 16 have been delivered from the existing Spanish production facility. Airbus said it “welcomed” the decision by the ministry’s procurement council. The aircraft would replace the Indian air force’s aging fleet of Avro jets.
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India recently also agreed to buy 36 Dassault Aviation SA Rafale combat jets directly from France after a deal to partly build them in India stalled because of the complexity of the deal.
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Zitat:India to review safety of Su-30MKI fighter fleet
27 May 2015 ....
http://www.defensenews.com/story/breakin.../31097627/
Das Beschaffungsprogramm für 126 Kampfflugzeuge, bei dem Dassaults Rafale das Rennen gemacht hat, ist nun offiziell endgültig gestrichen. Über einen separaten Kauf von 36 Rafale, die direkt aus Frankreich gekauft werden sollen, wird noch verhandelt.
Das war zu erwarten, nachdem Dassault nicht die Verantwortung für indisch produzierte Mängel übernehmen wollte.
Ich nehme an, dass jetzt sukzessive mit Käufen begonnen wird, das know how für Wartung nach Indien geht - und evtl. bei größeren Bestellungen eine Endmontagelinie kommt.
Und ob es indische Zulieferer gibt, wird nicht von Anfang an sondern jeweils dann entschieden, wenn sich Bewerber entsprechend qualifiziert haben.
Die Inder liebäugeln wieder mit russischer Stealth-Technologie:
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Zitat:Indian, Russian negotiators agree on FGFA development
Zitat:The Indian Air Force (IAF), once an ardent backer of the proposed Indo-Russian fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), has for the last two years sharply attacked the project. Critics say the FGFA is on the back burner to clear the way for the French Rafale fighter.
President Francois Hollande of France, who arrives in Delhi on Monday, has talked up the sale of 36 Rafales to India for an estimated $9 billion (Rs 60,000 crore).
Yet the FGFA remains alive. Last month Indian and Russian negotiators achieved a major breakthrough, agreeing to develop the FGFA at a lowered cost of $4 billion (Rs 27,000 crore) in India. That would open the doors to building of 250 FGFAs to replace the Sukhoi-30MKI.
Since 2008, the project was estimated to cost India and Russia $5.5 billion (Rs 37,000 crore) each. Adding inflation, that would be $6 billion (Rs 40,500 crore) each.
Now negotiators from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd and Sukhoi - the development agencies; have agreed to do this 40 per cent more cheaply, for $4 billion spread over seven years. In the first year after signing, each side would pay $1 billion (Rs 6,750 crore), and another $500 million (Rs 3,380 crore) in each of the following six years.
Sukhoi is already test-flying the FGFA's precursor, which Russia calls the PAK-FA (Perspektivny Aviatsionny Kompleks Frontovoy Aviatsii, or "Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation"). The FGFA project involves improving the PAK-FA significantly to meet the IAF's specifications. The IAF wants some 50 improvements to the PAK-FA, including a 360-degree radar and more powerful engines.
The proposal for a $4 billion research and development contract (R&D contract) will now come before a defence ministry "cost negotiation committee", and then to the Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar.
The R&D Contract visualises a prototype fighter flying in India within three years. In total, 11 prototypes would be built - eight of these PAK-FAs for the Russian Air Force, and three FGFAs for India.
Each country has already spent $295 million (Rs 1483 crore) on a "preliminary design contract" (PDC), Parrikar told parliament on August 4, 2015. The PDC, which spelt out the fighter's detailed configuration, was completed in June 2013.
The R&D contract should have followed immediately, but the IAF came out against the FGFA. As Business Standard reported (January 21, 2014, "Russia can't deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF") top air marshals alleged during a high-level ministry meeting in New Delhi that the FGFA would fall short of Indian expectations.
According to the details of that meeting, IAF objections to the FGFA were: (a) The Russians would not share critical design information with India; (b) The PAK-FA's engines are inadequate, being mere upgrades of the Sukhoi-30MKI's engines; and © Paying $6 billion to co-develop the FGFA would mean that "a large percentage of IAF's capital budget will be locked up."
On January 15, the IAF renewed its attack in a ministry meeting meant to review FGFA progress. It said the FGFA's engine was unreliable, radar was inadequate; stealth features were poor, India's work share being too low, and the price being too high. In a letter to the ministry, the IAF vice-chief raised 27 different objections to the FGFA.
Yet, in a baffling volte-face last year, the IAF proposed the PAK-FA be bought over-the-counter, rather than co-developing the FGFA. There was no official response to questions over why the IAF was willing to buy a fighter it had roundly criticised.
This resistance to the co-development also scuppered a Russian offer to co-develop a more powerful, fifth-generation engine for the FGFA. After roundly criticising the PAK-FA's AL-41F1 engines - upgraded versions of the Sukhoi-30MKI's AL-31FP engines, with 25 per cent more power - the IAF was ready to buy them in an over-the-counter sale.
The FGFA was once the IAF's future. Former defence minister AK Antony rebuffed the US-built fifth generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, saying India would have the FGFA. Indian planners viewed the FGFA as a launch pad for India's fifth generation fighter, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).
Now, with the Rafale's astronomical cost, a cheaper R&D Contract for a "Make in India" FGFA could turn the spotlight back in the Indo-Russian fighter.
Zitat:India’s Su-30 Jets Are Now Armed With Nuclear BrahMos Missiles
India’s nuclear command has begun receiving fighter jets armed with the country’s most advanced, supersonic cruise missile. According to media reports, India’s Strategic Forces Command (SFC) has begun receiving 42 Su-30MKI air dominance fighters modified to carry air-launched BrahMos supersonic cruise missile. This will significantly enhance the striking power of the air leg of India’s nuclear triad. [...] The Sukhoi Su-30 MKI is a twin-seater, highly maneuverable, fourth-generation multirole combat fighter aircraft built by Russia’s Sukhoi Design Bureau and licensed to India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. The plane will serve as the backbone of India’s Air Force through 2020 and beyond. Delhi has already acquired around 200 jets, and eventually plans to acquire 282 of them. [...]
As Russia and India Report explained, “The BrahMos’ 3000 km per second speed – literally faster than a bullet – means it hits the target with a huge amount of kinetic energy. In tests, the BrahMos has often cut warships in half and reduced ground targets to smithereens.”
https://www.defenceaviationpost.com/2020...-missiles/
Auch wenn inhaltlich deutlich wird, dass sich Indiens nukleare Schlagkraft mit der Kombination Su-30 MKI plus BrahMos um eine weitere Facette erweitert, so ist der zweitletzte Satz natürlich nichtsdestotrotz Blödsinn: Der Flugkörper erreicht nicht 3000 Kilometer pro Sekunde an Geschwindigkeit, sondern knapp Mach 3, d. h. also etwa 3000+ Kilometer pro Stunde - was natürlich immer noch schnell ist...
Schneemann.
Ist die Anschaffung dieser russischen Flieger das Ergebnis des MMRCA 2.0 Tenders oder läuft der noch?
Es sind wohl eher Rafales und (alte) Jaguars.
Was die Tender angeht, da laufen noch welche, andere wurden annuliert. Habe es aufgegeben zu versuchen es zu verstehen