(Luft) Chengdu Aircraft Industry J-20/FC-31/J-35

[Erich]

immer noch kein Erstflug - erst war's das Wetter und nu is Sonntag,
aber dafür eine neue Analyse:
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The Strategic Impact of China's J-XX [J-20] Stealth Fighter
Air Power Australia - Australia's Independent Defence Think Tank

Air Power Australia NOTAM
9th January, 2011

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und ein Report (nur Bilder) vom chinesischen Staatsfernsehen (CCTV)
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[Nightwatch]

The Strategic Impact of China's J-XX [J-20]

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Carlo Kopp

Ab da sollte man das Lesen einstellen.

[Erich]

ein neues Video (über Deino im CDF)
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[Erich]

aus den verschiedenen Video-Schnippseln lässt sich langsam ein kleiner Film über die Hochgeschwindigkeits-Rollversuche herstellen:
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und zum Schluß
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[upmeier]

auf der partner website sinodefence kursieren im forum bilder die den Jungfernflug der J 20 zeigen sollen.Fake oder Realität???? Ich stelle die beiden bilder bei Photos online

[Erich]

Fake - da hat jemand ein "Nase hoch Bild" von den runway-tests genommen, entsprechend verschwommen gemacht, die Umgebung ausgeschnitten und dann ins Netz gestellt ... das Original zeigt den "angeplatteten Reifen" vom Taxi-Test

edit:
Hab jetzt die Bilder angeschaut, das sind eindeutig CGs
ich dachte Du meinst diese Bilder hier:

1. gefaktes Bild
[Bild: http://community.globaldefence.net/media...es/209.jpg]
2. teilweise klarer
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3. Original ohne Hintergrund (ausgeschnitten)
[Bild: http://community.globaldefence.net/media...es/211.jpg]

[tienfung]

Wie die J-20 hervor sticht auf den Fotos... Der aufeinmal "verwischte" Flügel^^ Beim Begleitflugzeug erkennt mans auch schön das es auf den Hintergrund draufgesetzt wurde.

[revan]

Sehr guter Artikel zur J20 von Aviationweek. Achtung, man beachte die zweite und dritte Seite. Man kopiere bitte den Link Manuel, da es sonst einen ERROR gibt.


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What China's Stealth Fighter Means

With the surprise rollout and high-speed taxi tests of China’s newest J-20 fighter, a stealth prototype, the U.S. Navy’s top intelligence official admits that the Pentagon has erred in its estimates of the speed with which Beijing is introducing new military technology.

The aircraft’s existence was not a surprise to the intelligence community, but “one of the things that is . . . true is that we have been pretty consistent in underestimating the delivery and initial operational capability of Chinese technology weapons systems,” says Vice Admiral David J. Dorsett, deputy chief of naval operations for information dominance and director of naval intelligence. Two recent examples of misanalyses have been the J-20 fighter and the DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile (AW&ST Jan. 3, p. 18). Moreover, there is evidence that China’s advances include high-performance engines and missiles that display a new level of technical maturity and performance.

“In terms of the [J-20] stealth photos, it’s not clear to me when it’s going to become operational,” Dorsett says. “Do we need to refine our assessments better? I think so.”

Other Washington-based intelligence officials say they are watching the J-20’s testing with interest. “They have done several high-speed taxis with the nosewheel off the ground,” says another veteran analyst. “They could still be working out some kinks before they try an actual first flight.”

There also are a lot of unknowns about the aircraft’s real importance.

“Operational impact is a tough call to make at this point, given that this plane, even if it flies, is not going to be a full-up fifth-gen [aircraft],” the analyst says. “In essence, this is going to be a novelty for the next decade before it starts to roll off the series production lines and gets to the line units in any numbers that would impact any of our mission planning. A lot of things can happen, good and bad, between now and then to either speed this up or severely put the brakes on things.

“As far as radar cross section goes, this is not [a Lockheed Martin] F-22, nor should we be thinking that they are going for low RCS right out of the chute,” he says. “We have to keep in mind that this is the first attempt and it’s also the very first prototype of that first attempt. There’s a lot of tweaking . . . before they get to the final version. I see too many people . . . making sweeping assessments. That has always been a mistake.”

Engines have been an Achilles’ heel for Chinese high-performance aircraft. The Chinese have not produced an indigenous engine that has the performance they need for a world-class fighter. Under earlier military doctrine, which favored mass over advanced technology, the People’s Liberation Army Air Force was equipped with adapted versions of 1950s-era Soviet aircraft designs using old-technology engines. Analysts offer different assessments of China’s first high-performance engine, the Shenyang WS-10; but recent images of the J-11B fighter—China’s bootleg version of the Sukhoi Su-30—appear to show a nozzle design that differs visibly from the Russian AL-31F and resembles that of WS-10 engines displayed at air shows.

Dorsett downplays the immediate impact of the new fighter and new anti-ship missile.

“I’m more worried about Chinese game-changing capabilities in nonkinetic [areas such as information dominance, network invasion and electronic warfare],” he says. “I am most concerned about China’s focus on trying to develop [the ability] to dominate the electromagnetic spectrum, to counter space capabilities and to conduct cyberactivities......

[upmeier]

und der Vogel fliegt doch erste Pressemeldungen aus den USA
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auf der partnersite von sinodefence sind auch viedeos zu diesem jungfernflug zu sehen

[Mondgesicht]

Auch der Spiegel nimmt die Meldungen auf:

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China rüstet auf, jetzt hat die Regierung Testflüge eines Tarnkappen-Jets bestätigt. Die Stealth-Maschine machte ihren Jungfernflug, während US-Verteidigungsminister Gates die Volksrepublik besuchte.
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[swz8228]

ein neues Video über J20 Erstflug
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[Scorpion82]

Hier das Ganze noch mal auf youtube:
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Für einen MIL-Start sah das ganze garnicht mal so schlecht aus finde ich. Macht also gewissermaßen den Eindruck, dass da entweder relativ starke Triebwerke drin waren oder das Flugzeug doch nicht soooo schwer ist wie von vielen vermutet.

[blasrohr]

bin mal schon auf regulären Flugbetrieb und Flugshows gespannt. Ob Abstürze und Unfälle überhaupt an die Öffentlichkeit dringen würden beim Eisatz? :?

[Kosmos]

hm, hat jemand Öffnungen der Waffenschächte gefunden?

[Nightwatch]

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