(Sonstiges) Chinas Trägerprogramm

[Erich]

2. Teil:
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The inside story of the Liaoning: how Xu Zengping sealed deal for China's first aircraft carrier

In the mid-1990s, the former PLA basketball star was contacted by officers within the PLA Navy with a secretive mission: go to Ukraine and buy the Soviet-built carrier

UPDATED : Monday, 19 January, 2015, 9:38am
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The navy formed a team led by General Liu Huaqing in late April 1970 to investigate possibilities, according to the Southern Weekly. Liu proposed that China build its own carrier, but Beijing was wary of the idea - such a project would raise the international community's suspicions over China's territorial ambitions and in any case the country could not afford to research and develop the vessel from scratch.

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But what had seemed like a done deal wasn't. In mid-February, Ukrainian officials told him the carrier would be sold through an open auction. Other countries were interested in the ship and he had just three days to put in his bid. The sudden change in the negotiations worked to Xu's advantage - with the help of his Ukrainian friends, he was the only bidder to get his documents ready on time and meet all the key requirements. On March 19, 1998, Xu outbid opponents from the US, Australia, South Korea and Japan and won the ship.

That night an unmarked helicopter landed on the deck of the carrier. Xu did not know who it was but he had his suspicions. Spooked, he arranged the next day to have the 40 tonnes of blueprints for the carrier packed into eight trucks and moved overland to China. The Asian financial crisis meant it took Xu another year to get the money together, but the final payment - including a US$10 million late charge - was made to the shipbuilder on April 30, 1999.
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[Erich]

2. Teil:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1681755/how-xu-zengping-became-middleman-chinas-deal-buy-liaoning">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... y-liaoning</a><!-- m -->

The inside story of the Liaoning: how Xu Zengping sealed deal for China's first aircraft carrier

In the mid-1990s, the former PLA basketball star was contacted by officers within the PLA Navy with a secretive mission: go to Ukraine and buy the Soviet-built carrier

UPDATED : Monday, 19 January, 2015, 9:38am
...

The navy formed a team led by General Liu Huaqing in late April 1970 to investigate possibilities, according to the Southern Weekly. Liu proposed that China build its own carrier, but Beijing was wary of the idea - such a project would raise the international community's suspicions over China's territorial ambitions and in any case the country could not afford to research and develop the vessel from scratch.

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But what had seemed like a done deal wasn't. In mid-February, Ukrainian officials told him the carrier would be sold through an open auction. Other countries were interested in the ship and he had just three days to put in his bid. The sudden change in the negotiations worked to Xu's advantage - with the help of his Ukrainian friends, he was the only bidder to get his documents ready on time and meet all the key requirements. On March 19, 1998, Xu outbid opponents from the US, Australia, South Korea and Japan and won the ship.

That night an unmarked helicopter landed on the deck of the carrier. Xu did not know who it was but he had his suspicions. Spooked, he arranged the next day to have the 40 tonnes of blueprints for the carrier packed into eight trucks and moved overland to China. The Asian financial crisis meant it took Xu another year to get the money together, but the final payment - including a US$10 million late charge - was made to the shipbuilder on April 30, 1999.
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[Erich]

3. Teil:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1682731/mission-impossible-ii-battle-get-chinas-aircraft-carrier-home">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... rrier-home</a><!-- m -->

Mission impossible II: the battle to get China's aircraft carrier home
After sealing deal for China's first aircraft carrier, Xu Zengping had a new challenge: taking it home

UPDATED : Tuesday, 20 January, 2015, 5:46pm

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"US$20 million was just the auction price of the carrier. In fact, I had to pay at least US$120 million for the deal from 1996 to 1999. But I still haven't received one fen from our government. I just handed it over to the navy."
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[Erich]

Die deutsche Welle hat jetzt eine Zusammenfassung der o.g. Berichte vorgenommen
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Datum 28.01.2015
Chinas Weg zum Flugzeugträger

Betrug, Korruption und massenhaft Schnaps - damit kam China an seinen ersten Flugzeugträger. So schildert es eine Schlüsselfigur in einer Hongkonger Zeitung. ...

[upmeier]

langsam wirds hoch offiziell china baut seine 2.flugzeugtraeger
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[Erich]

danke, ebenso im Marineforum
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01 February

CHINA
Local media report on subcontracts (such as cables) for a “second aircraft carrier” and interpret them as “confirmation” that the ship is already under construction.
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"Local media" - Changzhou ist in unmittelbarer Nachbarschaft zu Shanghai, wo das "Katapult-Modul" dokumentiert wurde.

[Erich]

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10 February

CHINA
Chinese internet forum discusses possible refurbishing of former Soviet KIEV class aircraft carriers KIEV and MINSK which for more than a decade have served as hotel-theme parks in Tianjian and Shenzhen … might find a new role in support of future carrier battle groups
(rmks: rather far-fetched … building completely new ships would be much cheaper and less risky)
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für die MINSK hätte ich mir das noch vorstellen können - aber die KIEW ist viel zu luxuriös umgebaut und dann auch noch in einem extremen Flachwasserbereich vertäut, hinter einem extra errichteten Damm ... und wohl nur bei absoluter Springflut überhaupt wieder weg zu bringen ....

[upmeier]

das chinesische elektromagnetsche flugzeugkatapult funktioniert problemlos,sodass es wahrscheinlich
auf dem in bau befindlichen flugzeugtraeger zum einsatz kommt.
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[Erich]

Danke :wink:

[Erich]

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14 March

CHINA
A senior naval officer has told media, China „is building” its second aircraft carrier … most explicit confirmation yet of a widely expected move.
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die Meldungen verdichten sich

[Erich]

hoher französischer Militärbesuch auf der Liaoning
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(chinesische Seite, aber Fotos)

[Erich]

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27 April

CHINA
Aircraft carrier LIAONING has begun embarking operational (vs. test/training aircraft) J-15 carrier-based fighter jets ... sources indicate will eventually be able to carry up to 24 such fighter jets ... only recently (10-18 Apr) reported in flight training in Bohai Bay.

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[Erich]

das Test-Gebäude in Wuhan zeigt einen neuen Inselaufbau;
das Radar der AEGIS-like Zerstörer vom Typ 052 C (mit gewölbter Abdeckung) wird wohl durch ein Radar des Nachfolgetyps 052 D ersetzt und auf der Insel nach oben versetzt, was eine größere Reichweite mit sich bringt.
Da es für einen Umbau der LIAONING noch zu früh sein dürfte - inzwischen werden Piloten dort mit Serienmaschinen J-15 ausgebildet - , scheint das die Teststruktur für einen neuen Träger LIAONING II zu sein. Das würde dann der typisch chinesischen Methode entsprechen, zwei Test- oder Vorserienversionen neuer Schiffstypen intensiv im Dienst zu testen.

[revan]

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《中英對照讀新聞》China building second aircraft carrier：PLA colonel 人民解放軍大校：中國正在建造第二艘航空母艦

China is building its second aircraft carrier, a senior naval officer has told media, the most explicit confirmation yet of a widely expected move that will boost Beijing’s maritime power.....

und

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Seven Type 052D destroyers being built in Shanghai port
On April 27, satellite images were released which showed that seven Type 052D guided-missile destroyers are being built simultaneously at Shangahi's Jiangnan Shipyard, according to Beijing's Sina Military Network, a Chinese-language website covering defense news around the world....

7X DDG Zerstörer auf einmal ( :!: ) das nenne ich Aufrüstung. hock:

[Erich]

<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://news.sina.cn/gn/2015-05-03/detail-iavxeafs6773269.d.html?from=wap">http://news.sina.cn/gn/2015-05-03/detai ... l?from=wap</a><!-- m -->
die Bilder zeigen Serienflugzeuge der J-15 auf der Liaoning

- und zum Zerstörerprogramm ...
Geleitzerstörer sind natürlich für Kampfgruppen um Flugzeugträger genauso nötig wie für solche um die 071 LPDs,

und nun, wieviele AEGIS-Zerstörer hat die US Navy?