(Luft) Chinesische Frühwarnflugzeuge

[Edelweiss]

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ein neues und schoenes Bild von chineisichem AGS vom Forum.


Das Foto ist im kleinen Werkstatt des Volkswagen im Dorf naehr von Flughafen gemacht worden.

[Erich]

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wollt Ihr mal schauen, ob Ihr das Bild öffnen könnt (ich bin angemeldet)

und eine neue Nachricht zum tschechischen System:
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USA eyes Czech Vera radar to prevent sales to China--press
PRAGUE- Czech-made Vera radars will probably get to the USA instead of China after the US Defence Ministry negotiated a contract with Czech arms maker Thomas CZ, the Lidove noviny daily says.
The sale worth millions of crowns, still awaiting a government licence, should take place this year, the daily adds.

The Czech side wanted to sell six Vera radars to China, but the USA and some Czech politicians stood up against the plan.

"In part, the Americans want to compensate for the supplies to China. Besides, they want to test their own technology on the radars. They want to know what they can do," LN quotes an unnamed source as saying.

Vera, a successor to the outdated Tamara system, can allegedly detect stealth fighters.

Miroslav Sotona, the chief executive of the ERA company which produces the radars, neither confirmed nor refuted the information, just like Thomas CZ CEO Jiri Tomes.

The Czech government has licensed ERA to export the radars to China but now it will probably try to cancel the licence.

[Cluster]

Ministry revokes Omnipol's licence to sell radars to China

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PRAGUE- The Industry and Trade Ministry has decided to revoke Czech company Omnipol's licence to export Vera radars to China, Czech Television (CT) reported.
The ministry granted Omnipol the licence to export six radars in January.

The Czech government last week decided to cancel the sale of the advanced Vera radar system to China because it is not in the Czech Republic's foreign political interest.
Industry Minister Milan Urban met the Chinese ambassador today and said after the meeting that the Chinese side did not raise the issue of Vera radar, CT said.
"The Chinese side cares about our mutual business relations, and by not mentioning Vera radars they have indicated a lot," Urban said. The Chinese side refused to comment on the meeting.
The Defence Ministry wants Vera radars to be produced and a new buyer to be found.
"Some countries have suggested that they would be interested. At the moment, let's say exchange of information is under way," Defence Ministry spokesman Ladislav Sticha said.
"It is our utmost effort that Vera heads for countries that are our allies," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Vit Kolar.
The plan to export Veras to China was opposed by the USA, fearing that the radars could detect U.S. ships and aircraft operating near Taiwan, as well as by some Czech politicians.

(komplette Nachricht zitiert)

Hätte mich ja auch gewundert, wenn es exportiert worden wäre.

[Cluster]

China Now Test-Flying Homemade AWACS
Radar Planes Intended For Use in Taiwan Strait

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BEIJING, Nov. 12 -- The Chinese military, undeterred by a U.S. veto that blocked the purchase of Israeli planes, has developed its own radar surveillance aircraft and is test-flying the first models for early deployment in the Taiwan Strait, according to military specialists.

The Chinese airborne warning and control system, or AWACS, uses domestically produced advanced radar mounted on a Russian-made Il-76 transport aircraft. Analysts said the AWACS marks an important step in the government's campaign to develop the modern military necessary to back up its threat to reunite Taiwan with the mainland by force if necessary. (...)

(gratis Registrierung erforderlich)

[Erich]

aus dem CDF (dort ohne Quellenangabe gepostet)

Chinese AWACS Enters Service

November 22, 2004: China, blocked four years ago, by the United States, from buying Israeli Phalcon airborne radar systems, has developed its own. The phased array radar technology is not exactly bleeding edge, but the highly capable and reliable versions are only made by American and Israeli firms. The Chinese radar and electronic, installed in a Russian built Be-50 (a version of the Il-76, modified to operate as an airborne radar control system, like AWACS), began flight testing a year ago. There appear to be two of them now, and one about ready to enter service. While the Phalcon system could track up to a hundred aircraft, and guide a dozen fighters to their targets in all sorts of weather, the Chinese KJ-2000 (as the IL-76 equipped with a radar dome aircraft is now called) appears to have more modest capabilities. But the KJ-2000 can be refueled in the air, which would allow it to stay in the air over a combat zone for 12 hours or more.

China may build as many as four KJ-2000’s, as that’s the number of Phalcon equipped Il-76’s they planned. The technology in the KJ-2000 is largely Chinese, although they may have gotten some items from Russia. The Russians have not been reluctant to sell the Chinese military technology, as this allows Russia to keep its own military manufacturing enterprises going. But many of the Russian engineers who developed the Cold War era Be-50 are out of that work, either unemployed, doing something else or retired. The Chinese have hired Russian technical experts before. Mainly, China wants to develop the high tech industries that will enable them to compete with technology powerhouses like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. It galls the Chinese to see these smaller neighbors so far ahead of them in technology, especially military technology. They have learned that the only way to catch up is to start with something modest, and work their way up. The BJ-2000 is a start. Japan already has AWACS, as does Taiwan (a version of the US Navy E-2 airborne control aircraft.) AWACS gives an air force another edge in air battles. The KJ-2000 is probably less effective than the Taiwanese E-2s, but it eats into the Taiwanese advantage. And in 5-10 years, upgrades of the KJ-2000 will close the gap.

[Erich]

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big bird over Nanjing

nähere Infos z.B.
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und auch ein anderes System ist in Chinesischer Anwendung:
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[Erich]

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Chinese AWACS KJ 2000 has entered service?

mit Foto
vgl. auch
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zu KJ 2000 - (A 50 I) AWACS und
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zu Y-8 Airborne Warning & Control System (AWACS)

letzteres mit dem neuesten Bild unten rechts erinnert mich rein äusserlich stark an Brasiliens Embraer EMB-145 SA / RS (R-99A/B) mit dem Ericsson PS-890 Erieye phased array radar
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[Erich]

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Chinese Radar Planes

Thursday, May 26, 2005

PLAAF Deploys Advanced AWACS

China has successfully developed an AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) radar plane. The aircraft, a modified Russian-made transport, is currently undergoing testing with the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) near Nanjing, Jiangsu Province.
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Two KJ-2000s, one based on a Russian radar plane purchased by China and one converted from a Chinese Air Force IL-76MD transport have been delivered to the PLAAF for operational evaluation and tests. According to reports from Beijing, a total of four aircraft will eventually be built.

...

[Turin]

Na das nenn ich doch mal einen unvoreingenommenen und kompetenten Bericht... :evil:

Mal ernsthaft: Der Artikel ist sehr allgemein gehalten, erzählt Sachen, die wirklich alt sind und neuere Entwicklungen ignoriert (zB. die Y-8-basierten Versuche). Aber überrascht nicht, der Artikel ist rein politisch motiviert (man beachte die Clinton-Kritik) und der Autor hat vermutlich von Militärtechnik gerade soviel Ahnung, dass er das Wort schreiben kann...

[ChrisCRTS]

C-130 als heavy lift zu bezeichnen.:pillepalle:

[Deino]

Hallo !!! Ich zwar gestehen, dass ich den kompletten Tread in all seinen Einzelheiten noch nicht durchgeforstet habe, aber da ich im FlugzeugForum zum gleichen Thema ebenfalls einen Tread gestartet habe .... vielleicht interessiert's ja jemanden !

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Bis dahin, Gruß, Deino

[Turin]

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Shaanxi AEW Aircraft Crashed During Test

A military plane that crashed killing all 40 people onboard was an advanced KJ-200 airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft undergoing flight test, it emerged.

Chinese state-run Xinhua News Agency reported on Sunday 4 June that a military plane carrying 40 people was lost in the eastern province of Anhui and no survivor was found. Chinese president Hu Jintao has expressed deep condolences over the loss of lives and ordered a full investigation into the cause of the accident. ...

[Erich]

@Turin
woher nimmst Du die Annahme, dass es sich um ein "AWACS" Flugzeug und nicht um eine normale Transportmaschine gehandelt hat?

[hoywoy71]

Erich postete
@Turin
woher nimmst Du die Annahme, dass es sich um ein "AWACS" Flugzeug und nicht um eine normale Transportmaschine gehandelt hat?

Weil es bei Sinodefence so steht.

[Turin]

woher nimmst Du die Annahme, dass es sich um ein "AWACS" Flugzeug und nicht um eine normale Transportmaschine gehandelt hat?

Ich habe gute Kontakte zu Insiderkreisen der PLAAF.
Ernsthaft: Wo bitte nehme ich irgendwas an? Ich zitiere lediglich eine Nachricht. Verstehe deinen Beitrag daher überhaupt nicht.