16.06.2011, 21:55
Auslagerung der Diskussion aus Thread "Jemen": <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://forum-sicherheitspolitik.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=4230&p=147420#p147420">viewtopic.php?f=42&t=4230&p=147420#p147420</a><!-- l -->
Es wäre super toll, wenn Du nicht nur rumstänkerst sondern auch den "Unbedarften" unter uns ein paar sachliche Hintergrundinformationen zu Deiner nicht sehr populären Erkenntnis bereit stellen könntest. Mit deutlichem Bezug auf die Forenregeln, wäre mir sehr an entsprechenden Quellennachweisen und untermauernden Argumenten gelegen, für:
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Ich fange mal selbst ganz low-level und Mainstream an, zitiere Wikipedia, und freue mich auf Deine hoffentlich qualifizierte Gegendarstellung:
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Auch hier gehe ich erstmal selbst in Vorleistung:
Samun schrieb:Dein Exkurs über Stämme ist recht deplaziert und der Rest der Aussage schlicht falsch.
Die Bewegung, die in Al-Quaida mündete, kommt aus dem Jemen und nicht aus Saudi-Arabien. Der Wahabitismus mag in Saudi-Arabien stark geworden sein. Aber weder hat er noch Al-Quaida dort seinen Ursprung.
Zudem ist in der Realen Welt die Vermischung einiger Stämme mit Al-Quaida ein Fakt. Und keine theoretische soziologische Betrachtung ändert da was dran.
Und was du über die anderen Islamistengruppen sagst hat damit auch überhaupt nichts zu tun, denn die basieren auf der Ideologie der frühen Muslimbruderschaft und nicht auf dem Wahabitismus. Die haben andere Wurzeln als Al-Quaida. Auch wenn sie für Unbedarfte ähnlich in der Ausprägung wirken und gerne mal in den gleichen Topf geworfen werden.
Es wäre super toll, wenn Du nicht nur rumstänkerst sondern auch den "Unbedarften" unter uns ein paar sachliche Hintergrundinformationen zu Deiner nicht sehr populären Erkenntnis bereit stellen könntest. Mit deutlichem Bezug auf die Forenregeln, wäre mir sehr an entsprechenden Quellennachweisen und untermauernden Argumenten gelegen, für:
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Samun schrieb:Der Wahabitismus mag in Saudi-Arabien stark geworden sein. Aber weder hat er noch Al-Quaida dort seinen Ursprung.
Ich fange mal selbst ganz low-level und Mainstream an, zitiere Wikipedia, und freue mich auf Deine hoffentlich qualifizierte Gegendarstellung:
Zitat:Wahhabism is a religious movement[1] or a branch[2] of Islam. It was developed by an 18th century Muslim theologian (Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab) from Najd, Saudi Arabia, who advocated purging Islam of "impurities". Wahhabism is the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia.[3] It has developed considerable influence in the Muslim world in part through Saudi funding of mosques, schools and social programs.<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabi</a><!-- m -->
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Samun schrieb:Und was du über die anderen Islamistengruppen sagst hat damit auch überhaupt nichts zu tun, denn die basieren auf der Ideologie der frühen Muslimbruderschaft und nicht auf dem Wahabitismus.
Auch hier gehe ich erstmal selbst in Vorleistung:
Zitat:‘‘Muslim Brotherhood’ (MB) [...] was founded in 1928 by an ultra Islamist reformer school teacher Al Hussain Banna(1906-1949) who strongly believed in Wahhabist interpretation of militant Jihad. Deeply disturbed with the collapse of Ottoman Empire in 1924 followed by the end of Caliphate system of Islamic Government, the Treaty of Jeddah in 1927 between the Saudi King and British Empire further stirred his anti-West Islamist mindset.<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers36%5Cpaper3571.html">http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpap ... r3571.html</a><!-- m -->
The Treaty in which the Saudi King agreed to hold back his forces from attacking and harassing the neighbouring British Protectorates and in return the British Empire recognized the Saudi sovereignty over the region what was then known as Kingdom of Hizaj and Nejd was regarded by Banna as surrender to a Christian power. Accordingly, he formed this organization with a view to mobilize the Muslims of the world by preaching puritanical Islamist movement of political Islam for launching Jihad against the infidels.
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Although, Muslim Brotherhood differed with Saudi Arabia over the latter’s business relation with Christian West particularly USA, the common ideological Wahhabi link between the two brought them closer to each other. In fact in mid nineteen fifties when the Naseer regime of Egypt cracked down the MB activists due to their suspected attempt on his assassination, thousands of their members fled to neighbouring contries including Saudi Arabia. Since then the Saudi King used them against Nasserism and also funded them for their independent faculty in the Islamic University in Medina.
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Zitat:Expert: Saudi Arabian Bankers Fueling Global Islamic Jihad<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125335">http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125335</a><!-- m -->
by Talia Zarbiv
Rachel Ehrenfeld, Director of the American Center for Democracy, said at the Jerusalem Conference Tuesday that Saudi Arabian bankers are the main financiers of global terrorism [= Al-Qaeda].
Corrupt “Sharia financing” banking practices - legal under Islamic law - are a fairly new phenomenon, Ehrenfeld said. They were first developed by the Muslim brotherhood in the 70s, following the financial power gained by Saudis during the oil boom.
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Zitat:An Egyptian Journalist on the Connection Between Wahhabism and Terrorism<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.islamdaily.org/en/wahabism/1999.an-egyptian-journalist-on-the-connection-between-w.htm">http://www.islamdaily.org/en/wahabism/1 ... ween-w.htm</a><!-- m -->
Following the bombings in Riyadh on May 12, 2003, the deputy editor of the independent Egyptian weekly Roz Al-Yousef, Wael Al-Abrashi, who is also an expert on Sunni terrorist movements, wrote several articles on Saudi Wahhabism and the development of Islamist terror. The following are excerpts from Al-Abrashi's article:
The extremist religious groups have moved from the stage of Takfir [1] to the stage of 'annihilation and destruction,' in accordance with the strategy of Al-Qa'ida – which Saudi authorities must admit is a local Saudi organization that drew other organizations into it, and not the other way around. All the organizations emerged from under the robe of Wahhabism."
'Saudi Arabia Helped Perpetrators of Terror Attacks in Egypt, Beginning with Sadat's Assassination'
"I can state with certainly that after a very careful reading of all the documents and texts of the official investigations linked to all acts of terror that have taken place in Egypt, from the assassination of the late president Anwar Sadat in October 1981, up to the Luxor massacre in 1997, Saudi Arabia was the main station through which most of the Egyptian extremists passed, and emerged bearing with them terrorist thought regarding Takfir – thought that they drew from the sheikhs of Wahhabism. They also bore with them funds they received from the Saudi charities."
"Apparently, we had to wait all these years and the September 11 explosions had to happen, and many other explosions that harmed Saudi Arabia's stability, for the Saudi authorities to understand the two dangers: 'The danger of Wahhabi Takfir Fatwas [and] the danger of charities, most of whose money ultimately flows to the treasuries of extremists…"
"…Based on the documents and the investigations in all cases of terror that harmed Egypt [in the 1980s and 1990s], I determined that there was not a single case in which Saudi Arabia was not the main station for the extremists…"
"The ideas of the Wahhabi sheikhs and the funds of the charities turned into rifle bullets in the breasts of the innocent. An official memo by the Egyptian Interior Ministry immediately after the assassination of the late president Anwar Sadat enumerated the reasons for the buildup in extremist religious activity in Egypt. It was written there – and first published here – that the investigations and the confessions of the terror organization members showed that Sheikh Omar Abd Al-Rahman, the mufti of the [Al-Gam'ah Al-Islamiyya] organization, brought a tape-duplicating machine from Saudi Arabia and, from his home in Al-Fayoum, recorded and disseminated numerous cassettes of lectures and sermons expressing the ideology of the organization and serving its strategy and its plans. The cassettes accused the ruler of heresy and said there must be a coup against him…"
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