23.07.2007, 17:32
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In diesem video geht es darum ..das Griechenland 1920 die Makedonische Identität anerkannte.
Es ist mir immer noch unklar was unseren griechischen freunden daran stört das es ein Makedonisches Volk gibt ?
Sogar das Auswertige Amt hatt Nachweise einer Makedonischen identität von 1890.
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Hier ein Video 21.7.07 Makedoner in Grechenland Ilinden fest
Macedonians in Ovchareni Celebrate Ilinden
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The fact one my passport MACEDONIA,your Grece,fact two all country call as MACEDONIA only greece ,You stop lie,my country is reality,you accept that soon,Why if you feel Macedonian shame say that,I say that with pride I AM MACEDONIAN , My country name is 500 years,in Tyrkey Empire,when your coutry greece been Tyrkey colony,name of my country is MACEDONIA that is fact,and that part of Greece been in my country Macedonia,I have today my family in greece who have mother language macedonian but if you speack on macedonian they have problem with greece police,Macedonia belongs on Macedonian like me,Greece have political games with my small beatifyl country,but for your information,reading old macedonian language and than see that is my mother language,and that language is not Greece language,fact 3,You dreaming all country play political game with Greece that is lie,all country today know truth about MACEDONIA and that is my country not region in your greece. you learn much for my country don't worry.
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Doc. 11356
12 July 2007
Discrimination in Greek law which affects ethnic Macedonians
Written question No 530 to the Committee of Ministers
presented by Mr Lambert
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The Civil War in Greece witnessed the plight of thousands of political refugees, both ethnic Macedonian and others, including Greeks. At least 28,000 child refugees, mostly ethnic Macedonians, were also evacuated from areas of heavy fighting and relocated in countries like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania. The Greek State then proceeded to confiscate the properties of these exiles as well as strip them of their Greek citizenship. Moreover the relatives of these citizens who had been suspected of opposing the Greek government during the Civil War also had their citizenship taken away, arbitrarily and without due process. A series of Decrees and other enactments followed regulating the government’s actions. A 1962 Decree (4234) reinforced past legal enactments pertaining to the confiscation of properties of political exiles and denying them a right of return.
It was not until 1982 that the Greek State enacted a law permitting repatriation and the return of Greek citizenship for these individuals. However, this law was not introduced without some inherent prejudices. Relevantly, leading up to the 1982 law for repatriation, the Greek authorities were attentive to the possibility of seeing thousands of ethnic Macedonians return. Hence, motivating their suggestion that 40,000 people (ethnic Macedonians) living in various Eastern European countries did not constitute an issue that concerned Greece and the principle of free repatriation could not be accepted or applied by Greece.
This was (and remains) an emblematic attitude of the Greek State and culminated with Ministerial Decree number 106841, which announced the relevant passages to the stipulations of Law no. 400/76, providing that;
“Free to return to Greece are all Greeks by genus, who during the Civil War of 1946-1949 and because of it have fled abroad as political refugees, in spite that the Greek citizenship has been taken away from them.”
Similarly, Law no. 1540 was subsequently introduced making provision for the return of confiscated properties to political emigrants, read political refugees. The wording used in the legislation was again unjustly circumspect. It defines political emigrants for whom the law shall have application limited to those who are “Greeks by genus”.
The term ‘Greeks by genus’ is a term used by Greek authorities for all those who identify themselves as being ethnic Greek. Hence, ethnic Macedonians who are also political refugees and have had their Greek citizenship rescinded and/or properties confiscated are excluded from enjoying the rights granted under these laws, therefore severely questioning the very standing of the laws based on grounds of equity and fairness. Moreover, the construction of the wording as relating to these laws is not benign, it has the clear intent to discriminate against all those who belong to the category of people classified as political refugees and who are not “Greeks by genus”. Given that ethnic Macedonians predominantly make-up this category of people, it is indisputable that they have been the ones targeted by this exclusivist definition and the ones to have suffered the most.
Minority Rights Group Greece report referred to earlier confirms that there are many cases of Macedonian political refugees “who could not come to Greece for a short visit even when an important family matter”, such as terminal illness, funeral, wedding and other, was involved. Not unless these ethnic Macedonian political refugees are prepared to abandon their Macedonian consciousness and identity do they stand a chance of exercising their right of return to their birthplace as proclaimed under the laws. However, how does one deny who they are? As the MRG Greece mission itself concluded, these political refugees “have a Macedonian national identity which they are not willing to renounce.” Consequently, this exposes the discriminatory substance of the laws in question by enabling the continual refusal of entry to Greece of ethnic Macedonian political emigrants and/or return of their properties, based on a rejection of a Macedonian identity by the Greek State.
This discrimination has also been noted by the European Commission Against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI). In the Third Report on Greece (8 July 2004), ECRI “notes that in a number of spheres Greek law draws a distinction between non-citizens of Greek origin and non-citizens of another origin. This difference generally takes the form of a privileged status for persons of Greek origin.” ECRI backs up this assertion by citing the fact that “in 1982 a regulation permitted the return to Greece of people having fled the country during the 1946-1949 Civil War, together with their families. However, this regulation applied solely to persons ‘of Greek origin’, thus excluding persons of non-Greek and particularly of Macedonian origin who had nonetheless left Greece under the same conditions.”
Given that one of the founding principles of the Council of Europe is non-discrimination, does the Committee of Ministers think that Greek authorities should review these laws, with a view to ending the discrimination resulting from them?
Signed:
LAMBERT Geert, Belgium, SOC
In diesem video geht es darum ..das Griechenland 1920 die Makedonische Identität anerkannte.
Es ist mir immer noch unklar was unseren griechischen freunden daran stört das es ein Makedonisches Volk gibt ?
Sogar das Auswertige Amt hatt Nachweise einer Makedonischen identität von 1890.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.florina.org/">http://www.florina.org/</a><!-- m -->
Hier ein Video 21.7.07 Makedoner in Grechenland Ilinden fest
Macedonians in Ovchareni Celebrate Ilinden
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzWgNjKhK0">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GzWgNjKhK0</a><!-- m -->
The fact one my passport MACEDONIA,your Grece,fact two all country call as MACEDONIA only greece ,You stop lie,my country is reality,you accept that soon,Why if you feel Macedonian shame say that,I say that with pride I AM MACEDONIAN , My country name is 500 years,in Tyrkey Empire,when your coutry greece been Tyrkey colony,name of my country is MACEDONIA that is fact,and that part of Greece been in my country Macedonia,I have today my family in greece who have mother language macedonian but if you speack on macedonian they have problem with greece police,Macedonia belongs on Macedonian like me,Greece have political games with my small beatifyl country,but for your information,reading old macedonian language and than see that is my mother language,and that language is not Greece language,fact 3,You dreaming all country play political game with Greece that is lie,all country today know truth about MACEDONIA and that is my country not region in your greece. you learn much for my country don't worry.
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Doc. 11356
12 July 2007
Discrimination in Greek law which affects ethnic Macedonians
Written question No 530 to the Committee of Ministers
presented by Mr Lambert
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Civil War in Greece witnessed the plight of thousands of political refugees, both ethnic Macedonian and others, including Greeks. At least 28,000 child refugees, mostly ethnic Macedonians, were also evacuated from areas of heavy fighting and relocated in countries like Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania. The Greek State then proceeded to confiscate the properties of these exiles as well as strip them of their Greek citizenship. Moreover the relatives of these citizens who had been suspected of opposing the Greek government during the Civil War also had their citizenship taken away, arbitrarily and without due process. A series of Decrees and other enactments followed regulating the government’s actions. A 1962 Decree (4234) reinforced past legal enactments pertaining to the confiscation of properties of political exiles and denying them a right of return.
It was not until 1982 that the Greek State enacted a law permitting repatriation and the return of Greek citizenship for these individuals. However, this law was not introduced without some inherent prejudices. Relevantly, leading up to the 1982 law for repatriation, the Greek authorities were attentive to the possibility of seeing thousands of ethnic Macedonians return. Hence, motivating their suggestion that 40,000 people (ethnic Macedonians) living in various Eastern European countries did not constitute an issue that concerned Greece and the principle of free repatriation could not be accepted or applied by Greece.
This was (and remains) an emblematic attitude of the Greek State and culminated with Ministerial Decree number 106841, which announced the relevant passages to the stipulations of Law no. 400/76, providing that;
“Free to return to Greece are all Greeks by genus, who during the Civil War of 1946-1949 and because of it have fled abroad as political refugees, in spite that the Greek citizenship has been taken away from them.”
Similarly, Law no. 1540 was subsequently introduced making provision for the return of confiscated properties to political emigrants, read political refugees. The wording used in the legislation was again unjustly circumspect. It defines political emigrants for whom the law shall have application limited to those who are “Greeks by genus”.
The term ‘Greeks by genus’ is a term used by Greek authorities for all those who identify themselves as being ethnic Greek. Hence, ethnic Macedonians who are also political refugees and have had their Greek citizenship rescinded and/or properties confiscated are excluded from enjoying the rights granted under these laws, therefore severely questioning the very standing of the laws based on grounds of equity and fairness. Moreover, the construction of the wording as relating to these laws is not benign, it has the clear intent to discriminate against all those who belong to the category of people classified as political refugees and who are not “Greeks by genus”. Given that ethnic Macedonians predominantly make-up this category of people, it is indisputable that they have been the ones targeted by this exclusivist definition and the ones to have suffered the most.
Minority Rights Group Greece report referred to earlier confirms that there are many cases of Macedonian political refugees “who could not come to Greece for a short visit even when an important family matter”, such as terminal illness, funeral, wedding and other, was involved. Not unless these ethnic Macedonian political refugees are prepared to abandon their Macedonian consciousness and identity do they stand a chance of exercising their right of return to their birthplace as proclaimed under the laws. However, how does one deny who they are? As the MRG Greece mission itself concluded, these political refugees “have a Macedonian national identity which they are not willing to renounce.” Consequently, this exposes the discriminatory substance of the laws in question by enabling the continual refusal of entry to Greece of ethnic Macedonian political emigrants and/or return of their properties, based on a rejection of a Macedonian identity by the Greek State.
This discrimination has also been noted by the European Commission Against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI). In the Third Report on Greece (8 July 2004), ECRI “notes that in a number of spheres Greek law draws a distinction between non-citizens of Greek origin and non-citizens of another origin. This difference generally takes the form of a privileged status for persons of Greek origin.” ECRI backs up this assertion by citing the fact that “in 1982 a regulation permitted the return to Greece of people having fled the country during the 1946-1949 Civil War, together with their families. However, this regulation applied solely to persons ‘of Greek origin’, thus excluding persons of non-Greek and particularly of Macedonian origin who had nonetheless left Greece under the same conditions.”
Given that one of the founding principles of the Council of Europe is non-discrimination, does the Committee of Ministers think that Greek authorities should review these laws, with a view to ending the discrimination resulting from them?
Signed:
LAMBERT Geert, Belgium, SOC